Where they went wrong:
admitting the crime

Tell me again what year it is? And lashing is still a valid form of punishment?

Good thing I dont live there, I would have tallied up like…a million lashes by now

thats fucken retarted. wow. talking about time warp.

People will learn from this incident. The point is not whether or not, it is still a so called “formal” way of punishment; the point is to realize that there is no point in having sex before marriage and by one mans suffering other people will learn in that country to not commit this deed. Judging other people’s religion and culture based on their own culture and religion is completely wrong.

If he was married and he cheated on his wife, he would have been stoned to death. I 100% agree with this punishment since if you already have a wife then there is no point in cheating on her.

Show of hands: How many think that abid is just trying to get a reaction out of us, and how many think is is serious?

Or, to put it another way, Joker or Moron?

I vote moron.

it is not thing what they are done to him

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Inflicting bodily injury due to sex? Threatening others that if they do the same they will receive the same treatment? Stoning people to death? Is there a word in Arabic for sociopath? What about sadist?

psychotic

adjective
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someone who is psychotic behaves in a dangerous or violent way because they have a serious mental illness

example: abid

itz a barbaric culture dat needz 2 be radicated. now!!

You wish virgin

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Dont like the law.. dont visit the country… i dont like all laws in Russia therefore i dont visit.

Why is sucks to be a militant Muslim and living in a country ruled by a Militant law

Wow, what a bunch of barbaric animals. And this is what their idiot Allah teaches? How pathetic!

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In my culture we like to place import/export bans to financially cripple and sometimes bomb and/or invade and destroy the nations that terrorists who attack us reside in. Who are you to call our culture wrong?

See how that works? Do you see why you’re “Oh it’s their culture you can’t judge them.” reasoning does not make any sense whatsoever?

You mean like launching terrorist attacks against “the infidels” because of their religion and culture not being in line with Muslim jihadist tenets? Sounds like judgement to me…

hm…. never plan on visiting that place. her sponsor was probably trying to bang her and was pissed he wasn’t getting any so ratted her out. what a great place!

Doubtful that he would have been stoned to death but the woman would have. Your laws and social structure give no respect to life or freedom. What you feel is righteous is incredibly oppressive and the wealthy just buy their way out of it. Get off your soap box fool.

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I think the punishment was fair enough.

shut up

thats the way it should be .

having sex is what u called as freedom??? what if i want to have same “freedom” with any of ur dearest female family member. i m sorry to use these words but everybody has its own boundaries and u should respect them, doesn’t matter what ur culture says. there is a very simple formula for respect in Islam. “like for other what u like for yourself” u don’t want your sis. to do these sorts of activities but u like someone else’s sis do the same. double standards, n Islam don’t like double standards.

talking about culture , hmm my idea of barbarians ,
1) Nuking other countries and killing millions ( maybe mm japan)
2) using agent orange which lead to deformation and mutated humans who were born with one hand and half a leg , or making them look unhuman or like animal as a result ? ( lets say maybe in veitnam ) , their lands polluted for like how many 100ths of years ?
3) invading countries and saying opps they might not have WMD ,
4) What kind of Barbaric animals discriminate between WHITES and blacks , latins , Hispanic , arabs , asians( chings ) , etc … and calling themselves lovers of freedom and demecrats , what a load of BS
5) what religion are those performing all those atrocities ? muslims? NOPE LOL , muslims never used nukes , agent orange ?
6) im sad that most civilized nations such have most crime rate , most un-employment rate , and MOST IGNORANT stupid population rate , 70% begging for food or job ( well their problem lol)
7) go to wiki and learn about christian history , how they wipe out nations for stupid reason like ( because they were behind time) , see what the british , Portuguese and frensh did during their Expansion or should i say colonial/occupation rule , salves , etc.. look what germany did to the poor jews , what faith were they practicing when killing jews? were they muslims? LOOOOOL
9) what kind of stupid barbaric animal culture kills black americans because they are black ? LOL obviously they are either color blind or maybe have rabish culture
10) too long to list , ill just post this last one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States

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you didnt say that some ppl before establishing nations such as America and Australia did,

they stole , raped , killed most native origins ( red Indians yehaww and aborigines ) and now the ignorant fools still see it as their own country ,

i think the muslims killed the indians and aborigines and stole their country and made USA AND Australia

shut, we killed little jews , america killed lots of people ,correction i mean still killing people

that is the law of Islam. Every religion have their own law. But, many muslim countries at present did not practise this law.. that’s what i think.

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silly ! bush is muslim , so that justifies him killing iraqies and the taleban regime ,

and the spanish were muslims, those barbaric muslims wiped out the maya civil.? stupid muslims

yeah i dont believe in this lashing , hey btw can i have sex with you sis or mom?
since we’re on the same page, and we both disagree about the lashing

kinerry , next time i wont tell anyone that i fuc your sister or ill get whiped

muslim are barbarians , they invade ,kill and rape native orginis

two good examples are , when the muslims stole the land and killed many native american indians and established usa ,

another example , is also when the damn muslims stole the aborigines land and made it Australia ,

Barbaric culture those muslims have, is this the teaching of their faith , to steal other people land and claim it as their own?

you are right , what year it is ? lashing is soo out dated , now is the year of occupation , inversion of there countries, lets invade korea , i smell WMD there

I don’t think lashing is the major issue here (it is the law and you must abid by it, even if you disagree with it). Its the way the law is upheld, often by a cleric or someone of religious power within the community. The fact that the vast majority of these types of crimes go off one persons word (very often a male) and very harsh punishments are carried out. I dislike the fact that someone could point the finger and probably get an innocent person killed (even easier if you pointed your finger at a woman).

Also when bringing up the Americas and the British past I would like to point out that times change. We have grown up as nations and are at least trying to be civil now, someones past doesn’t justify beheadings and harsh attacks on the innocent.

Once thing the “West” have probably learnt from their mistakes in the past is that cruelity to the innocent wont win in the long run.

Also I am sure we can bring up hundreds of points showing how barbaric muslims are in everyday life, not just in wars. It is perceived as a very cruel religion and muslims, no matter how just, aren’t helping the situation are they?

Below they talk about stuff that don’t say it as it is! yes is wrong what is happening, but also, Israel stole land based on myths! “God gave us the land”, not good enough!! so will all the catholics move to the vatican?? I don’t like what happened to that couple, but the reason why Israel is there, is questionable: God does not exist!

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When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

As I mentioned above, everyone has their own beliefs and culture values. I personally live in Canada, and i abide by all the rules that are implemented by the government. I do not go around saying, this is wrong or this is right. I do what I am supposed to do, and i practice my religion taking into account the laws of the country as well. The point was, that if u are in a foreign country then you must abide by their policies.

I still can’t believe you guys are saying that was not the right thing to do..anyways I cannot impose my beliefs on anyone, I can just express my views. BTW both of the people involved in this incident are Muslim..and they probably knew the consequences of their actions.

Now, this media exploited definition of Jihad, is completely out of context and making claims about the fastest growing religion in the world without any previous understand and knowledge is completely ignorant and rude. Islam never suggest that we can attack anyone, we are only allowed to defend.

That is all i will say for now, since most of the people here are showing there class but by making comments which are rude and disrespectful. If you have something positive to say, then i will reply to you or else you can dwell and spend your entire life believing in false information.

Really? The one and ONLY Barbarians are USA!

This is horrible. In the 21st century stuff like this should not be happening. Doesn’t matter what culture people belong to, or where they are living. This treatment of people who love each other is unacceptable. I think its time some laws are reviewed and brought into the future where people are free to love one another without worrying about such barberic tactics. This makes me sick.

So true Muslims are so peaceful:
1. Removing the heads of infidels
2. Honor killings
3.Stoning
4. IED’s
5. They kill Jews
6. They kill Christians
7. They kill there fellow Muslims
8. They kill homosexuals
9. There is racism in Turkey against non-muslims Turkey include: Armenian (Christians), Kurds, Jews and others
10. In Saudi Arabia there is racism against Beduin, mixed marriages, non arabs. I could go on and site racism in every Muslim country
11. Throughout history there have been many Muslim invasions of other countries.
12. Here are the countries that are currently involved in Radical Muslim wars: Afghanistan, Algeria, The Caucasus and Russia, Egypt, Indonesia, India/Pakistan, Iraq, Israel, Iran, Kosovo, Nigeria, Sudan and the Philippines.
12. Islam also has a long history of slavery.
13. Don’t forget how the peaceful muslims killed over 300 women and children Beslan school

Did you know that based on the percentage of the population Muslims in the United States Muslims have wrecked more death and destruction on American soil than the combined toll of all political, social, and religious hate groups, including the Ku Klux Khan.

The following is a very short list of incidents of Islamic violence that have taken place within America since 9/11:

Date: December 5, 2009- – Binghamton, New York – – A 46 year-old graduate student at Binghamton University stabs to death his Jewish professor and mentor because he was “persecuted as a Muslim.” The slain professor is the author of several books, including “Understanding Fundamentalism: Christian, Islamic, and Jewish Movements.” The killer, who was writing his dissertation on early Arab culture, once told one told his roommates: “I feel like destroying the world.”

Date: November 5, 2009 – Fort Hood, Texas – – Major Malik Nadal Hasan, 39, a Muslim American psychiatrist, opens fire on American troops at Fort Hood, Texas in a murderous rampage that leaves 13 soldiers dead and 38 wounded. The carnage begins as approximately 300 soldiers, in preparation for deployment to Afghanistan, line up to get vaccinations and to have their eyes examined at a Soldier Readiness Center. Hasan, who worshipped at the radical Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, with several of the 9/11 ops, screams “Allahu Akbar” before opening fire with his semi-automatic pistol. Six months before the massacre, Major Hasan drew the attention of law enforcement officials for his anti-American tirades and his statements of support for the global jihad. In an Internet posting, the Muslim Major equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades. Reacting to the carnage, President Barack Obama says: “We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts.”

Date: November 2, 2009 – – A 20-year-old woman dies in Glendale, Arizona from injuries suffered when her Muslim father ran her down with his Jeep Cherokee for becoming too Westernized. The father had taken his daughter to Iraq under the pretense of visiting relatives only to marry her off to a man nearly three times her age. The young woman managed to scrape up enough to escape from her forced marriage and to make her way back to the U.S. After killing his daughter, the Muslim father sets fire to his house in Glendale. Nine people are inside the house when the fire starts.

Date: October 29, 2009 – – Brighton, New York – – A 37 year-old Muslim housewife slits the throat of her sleeping husband at the couple’s home in Brighton, New York. She tells the police that she was forced to commit the crime because her husband was not a devout Islamist. She says that he pressured her to eat pork and even attempted to give her a drink that contained alcohol.

Date: August 21, 2009 – – Three members of a Somali street gang travel from Columbus, Ohio to Grand Island, Nebraska, where they gun down two Sudanese men at the Autumn Wood Apartments. The local television station reports that the motive of the shootings, which leaves one dead and another critically wounded, is religious. The gunmen are Muslims; the victims Christians.

Date: June 1, 2009 – – A Muslim convert opens fire at a recruiting station in Little Rock, Arkansas, killing one young soldier and wounding another. The convert – – Carlos Bledsoe, 24 – – says that he “is mad at the U.S. military” because of what American soldiers “had done to Muslims in the past.” The killing, he says, was for the sake of Allah. “I do not feel I am guilty,” Bledsoe further tells Little Rock police officers. “I don’t think it was murder because murder is when a person kills another person without justified reason. U.S. soldiers are killing innocent Muslim men and women. We believe we have to strike back. We believe in an eye for an eye.”

Date: February 14, 2009 – – The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway of his studio in Buffalo, New York when he learns that she is seeking a divorce. Despite the heinousness of the crime, Muzzammil Hassan is only charged with second degree murder. Hassan had been hailed by the Buffalo community as a model example of a moderate Muslim. Bridges TV – – Hassan’s television station – – had been established “to fuse American culture with the values of Islam in a healthy, family-oriented way.”

Date: January 1, 2008 – A Muslim cabdriver in Irving, Texas shoots and kills his two teenage daughters in his taxi upon discovering they had dated non-Muslim boys. He had plans for Amina, his eldest daughter, to marry a man three times her age in Egypt. Discovering that she is no longer a virgin, he withdraws a 9 millimeter pistol and shoots her twice at point blank range in the chest, severing her spinal chord. Then he turns the pistol on Sarah, his younger daughter, who is sitting in the backseat of the taxi. He pumps nine bullets into her body before abandoning the cab in the parking lot of the Omni Mandalay Hotel. He escapes arrest and remains at large. Many believe that he has returned to the welcoming arms of his family and friends in Cairo.

Date: July 6, 2008 – A distraught Muslim smashes his daughter’s skull with an electric iron and strangles her to death with a bungee cord when she expresses her unhappiness over her arranged marriage. The incident takes place in Jonesboro, Georgia. Ajay Nair, Associate Dean of Multicultural Affairs at Columbia University, sugar-coats the killing by saying to CNN: “I think there are ways that we can rationalize it and make sense of it particularly in thinking about new immigrant communities in the U.S. and thinking about some of the struggles that they face.”

Date: February 12, 2007 – – An 18-year-old Muslim refugee goes on a shooting rampage at the Trolley Square Mall in Salt Lake City – – targeting shoppers who are buying Valentine’s Day cards. Five shoppers are killed; four more critically wounded. Witnesses say that the shooter – – Sulejman Talovic – – had a smile on his face every time he took aim, pulled the trigger, and cried out: “Allahu Akbar.” His aunt tells reporters: “We don’t know what happened, just like you guys. We know him as a good boy. He liked everybody, so we don’t know what happened.” Others claim to know what happened. Robert Spencer, noted author and journalist, says that Talovic is a victim of “sudden jihad syndrome” – – a malady increasing common among Muslim men, ranging in age from 14 to 40. The warning signs of this disorder are growing a beard, wearing long Islamic robes and skullcaps, going to mosques, and reading the Koran.

Date: October 6, 2006 – In Louisville, Kentucky, a Somali Muslim, clubs his estranged wife with a blunt object, leaving her for dead, and then proceeds to murder their four children for adopting American lifestyles. The children range in age from 8 to 3. The youngest of the children – – a boy and a girl – – are stabbed to death while sleeping in their bedroom; the other two girls are killed in the kitchen – – their bodies bearing defensive wounds on their hands and arms. The father tells the arresting police officers that he was compelled to kill his family because his wife had treated him with disrespect.

Date: September 20, 2006 – A self-professed Black Muslim shoots and kills a plain clothes police officer in Aurora, Colorado. He says that God wants him to kill. His mother later testifies that her son became transformed into a killer by reading the Koran.

Date: August 20, 2006 – An unemployed Muslim automobile worker uses his black Honda SUV to run down 18 pedestrians through the streets of San Francisco – one is killed. When the police arrive to take him into custody, the Muslim says: “I am a terrorist. I don’t care. Everyone needs to be killed.” A jury disagrees with the killer’s self assessment and rules that he is not guilty by reason of insanity.

Date: July 28, 2006 – – An angry Muslim American, making use of a 14 year-old girl as a hostage, breaks into a Jewish Center in Seattle, Washington. He selected his target by researching “something Jewish” on the internet and purchased two semi-automatic pistols from a local arms dealer. Upon entering the Center, he announces to the receptionist, “I’m a Muslim American and I’m angry at Israel” and shoots her. He proceeds to walk down the hallway, firing at women as they sit at their desks. Three of the workers are shot in the abdomen; one in the chest; and another in the head. He fires another shot at the stomach of an employee who is five months pregnant. The bullet misses and strikes the arm which she has raised for protection. He orders the pregnant woman to pick up her phone and to dial 911. He tells the operator: “I am tired of our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.” The police arrive at the scene and persuade the angry Muslim to surrender. In the wake of the carnage, six women are hospitalized – – three in critical condition – – one is paralyzed by a shot to the spine; another is near-death with wounds to the liver, pancreas, kidney, and heart. A seventh victim – – the director the Center – – is found dead at the scene. An FBI spokesperson later says that the shooting rampage was “the work of a lone gunman” who was “acting out his antagonism” against the system. Media coverage of the incident is eclipsed by the news of actor Mel Gibson’s DUI arrest.

Date: July 25, 2006 – A Muslim warehouse worker in Denver, Colorado – – announcing it is “Allah’s Choice – – shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer with a long-barreled handgun. One is dead, the others critically injured, before a SWAT team arrives to take out the shooter who greats them with a hail of gunfire. The Muslim’s sister later explains to the police that her brother was upset because people at the warehouse were making fun of his religion.

Date: June 16, 2006 – – A 24 year-old Muslim gunman goes to a movie theater on the outskirts of Baltimore and opens fire with his .367 Magnum at the packed audience as they watch “X-Men: The Last Stand.” One man – a 62 year-old Jewish medical supply salesman is dead at the scene. The Muslim lives in a multi-million dollar home and has no criminal record. He graduated with a degree in biology from Loyola College in Baltimore. He provides the police with no motive for his act. Tried for 1st degree murder, the Muslim receives no prison time. He is rather sent for an extended stay at a Maryland psychiatric clinic.

Date: March 3, 2006 – An irate Iranian Muslim, experiencing sudden jihad syndrome, presses the pedal of his SUV to the metal in order to mow down nine students on the campus of the University of North Carolina. After striking each victim, he cries aloud: “Allahu Akbar.” The Iranian explains his actions by saying: “Allah’s followers have permission to attack those who have waged war against them with eternal paradise as an expected reward.”

Date: January 11, 2005 – – A quiet Muslim man, working as a housekeeper, at a retirement facility in Alexandria, Virginia, transforms into a homicidal maniac and commences to strangle, stab, and slash six elderly patients. One patient suffers a broken neck; another requires more than 200 stitches. Taken into custody, the Muslim, now subdued, reportedly recites the shahadah.

Date: August 6, 2004 – Houston, Texas – – A Saudi college student, upon receiving a so-called “religious awakening,” slashes the throat of his Jewish room-mate with a 4 inch butterfly knife, and nearly decapitates him. After the murder, the Saudi visits a mosque to give praise to Allah. Authorities refuse to treat the homicide as a hate crime. The Saudi is granted a deal which allows him to plead guilty to second degree murder and escape the mandatory death sentence. No motive for the crime is ever given.

Date: September and October 2002 – – Muslim snipers in the name of Allah killed ten people in suburban Washington D.C. for no apparent reason, save jihad. They critically wounded 3 more. Previous to this, the so-called Beltway snipers were responsible for additional murders in California, Georgia, Alabama, and the state of Washington.

Date: July 5, 2002 – – An Egyptian Muslim, living in Irvine, California, decides to celebrate his 41st birthday by going on a one-man jihad in order to gain martyrdom, entrance to 7th heaven, and the award of the 72 awaiting houris. He heads off to the Los Angeles International Airport, where he proceeds to shoot and kill a 24 year old ticket agent and a 61 year old diamond merchant. He critically wounds four more people before being gunned down and killed by security guards.

Date: September 11, 2001 – – Muslim terrorists conduct coordinated attacks that results in 2,993 deaths.

The carnage, listed above, could have been much worse, since of host of other attacks have been prevented by watchful law enforcement officials.

This list includes plots to set off radiological bombs in midtown Manhattan, to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge and the Sears Tower in Chicago, to down commercial American aircraft, to kill U.S. troops at Fox Dix, to attack National Guard facilities, to bomb transit systems and subway stops, and to ignite jet fuel arteries leading to the JFK Airport on the outskirts of New York.

Prior to 9/11, scores of additional eruptions of Islamic jihad have taken place throughout the country, including the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, the homicidal rampage of numbers of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, the assassination of Rabbi Meir Kahane, and the above-mentioned Zebra killings.

The new study also fails to take into account the fact that four Islamic attacks take place every day throughout the world; that Muslims have been responsible for 16,132 attacks since 9/11; and that every conflict within today’s world from China to Chechnya, from Somalia to the Sudan, from Afghanistan to Argentina, from the Balkans to the Philippines, from Indonesia to India, from Iran to Iraq, from Pakistan to Denmark, from Britain to Bangladesh involves a manifestation of Islam.

Bo not believe any Mulsims’, they will Lie (their koran allows lying to Un-believers) so just remember they HATE and Will KILL to satisfy their Moon God… Not the God of the Universe… They have the Chresent Moon and their “Little Black Stone” in Mecca. They worship these pagan idols and they say our God and Alah are the same: BLA!

Dang…hope it was worth it!

Alah and your God are the same – Neither of them exist! Douche!

You need to be eradicated. Learn to spell. Sad thing is you spell like a 13 year old girl but you’re probably just a middle aged American. Hah

Go fuck yourself Luke Daly, America hasn’t grown up and never will, most of the world hates America more than America hates Muslims. And it’s only America that hates them, everyone else knows it’s your own fault that you’re getting fucked up.

Abid said: “Islam never suggest that we can attack anyone, we are only allowed to defend.”

Was it in self-defense that they mercilessly tormented these two people?

people who encourage and enforce Shaira laws are sick fucks

I can agree with you that, when travelling, one must always keep in mind the laws and customs of the countries you spend time in. That’s what these two obviously did not pay enough attention to.

But the larger question is: how can anybody of any religion whatsoever suggest that it’s acceptable to whip, abuse, beat, murder someone else… because two people had sex? Abid, it sounds far too much like you are condoning this whipping, that you think it makes sense. Is this true? If not, I think it would be nice to hear you state that it’s definitely never justified to whip someone for the “crime” of getting laid.

Sure thing Dan, Americans are no doubt guilty of some pretty rotten stuff themselves… and it’s true that many out there in the world do not hold the USA in high regard.

But: say whatever you like, it will not change the fact that it is *muslim* countries that stone, whip, beat and mutilate people for common, petty “crimes”. You don’t hear about Canadians, Australians, British, French or American citizens being stoned to death or brutalized by their own religious and political leaders. To find that kind of barbarism, you have to look in places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc etc.

The time when christians tortured and brutalized people has passed by a couple hundred years or so. I’d say it’s about time that the muslim states step forward out of the dark ages and stop acting like monsters.

That’s definitely sound advice. You’ll never see me set foot in certain parts of the world… Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan… because they are controlled by people who will happily torture you for pretty much no good reason.

Your advice, however, does not change the fact that these places are full of ethically *hideous* people.

No, it’s not a double standard at all. You can sleep with my sister or my mom every day, and it wouldn’t bother me one bit. Why? Because it’s consensual, because women have the freedom to sleep with who they wish.

Of course, the moment you *force* my mother or sister to have sex with you or marry you, you are committing a terrible crime.

Why don’t you understand this? People are free to do as they please… but are NOT free to force things on other people, or beat other people, or rape other people etc etc. That’s what it is to be a civilized society.

So… let me get this straight here. You’re saying that, because you believe that it’s “pointless” for me to cheat on my wife… that this naturally gives you the right to *murder* me if I do cheat on her?

I’m tempted to believe that you don’t actually exist, Abid. I find it hard to accept the fact that someone who is smart enough to read and write is capable of saying something so horrible.

Nanibold, I personally try to increase my knowledge of my religion as much as I can and I do not want to answer a question which i am completely oblivious to. Now, I personally believe that this “1 night stand” concept that is going around is very irresponsible and unprofessional. Now you talk about human respect for life, don’t you see the respect Islam is giving to human life? Islam harshly punishes people who are not willing to hold any responsibilities but are willing to enjoy a few moments of pleasure without any duties. Islam only allows people to have sex when they are married. How can you say that is not a professional way of protecting women and there identity? How can people be so ignorant?

Now, Islam does not promote any hatred and inhumanity whatsoever. Before whipping someone for having sex before marriage, there needs to be 3 legit witnesses who can truthfully testify that they saw these people commit this deed. If 3 witnesses are not present, no one can lay their hands on these two people. As you can see, everything is fair and just. In this article it is not mentioned if there were witnesses but i believe there were and that is why they got whipped.

I humbly ask all the people here, to do their own research and not be influenced by media. I do my own research, absorb as much knowledge as I can from the Muslim scholars and then act upon the one which truly effect my heart.

Before I leave I want to clarify one more thing, all of the Muslim Bombers harming other people are just Muslim by name. They deviate from the right path and disgrace the Islamic religion.

And THAT’S what happens for clinging to bizarre Muslim traditions.

I don’t care if some stranger has a “1 night stand”. And all this stuff you’re saying about respecting life and having 3 witnesses is just a distraction, a jumble of words and ideas.

This has nothing to do with “doing my research”, or being affected by the mainstream media. It has nothing to do with cultural differences or muslims or anything like that. I’m talking to you as a human being.

And you’re telling me, a fellow human, that it’s morally right to bury a stranger in the ground and smash them with rocks until they die… because they had sex with some other stranger when they weren’t supposed to.

That’s what it’s about. I’m not talking about all the other political crap, I’m not talking about cultural differences. I’m not talking about muslims. I’m talking about brutally torturing and murdering someone because you disapprove of their behaviour. It’s disgusting. You really support the idea?

Now this what u called as cultural differences. Everywhere in the world, there are or there can be two types of principles 1: principles of the society 2: principles of the religion. N whenever there ll be a conflict between the two, 90% chances are, the principles of the society ll prevail. Now what u r talking about are the principles of the society/culture. I don’t know abt ur religion, but if u tell me, I can quote the similar kind of punishments by ur own religion as I’ve studied Bible and Hinduism as well. And it is written very clearly in these books abt the punishments of the sex bf marriage. Brother, I am not blaming anybody, but the knowledge of Islam in the West is only CNN/ BBC based. Let me ask u one question, if Islam is such a brutal/terrorist religion then y it is the fastest growing religion in the world including in USA? If u have any doubt abt my last statement, I can provide u thousands of references to support my statement. Waiting 4 ur response !!!
Cheers,

Bloody Dum ASS arab Muslim regulations….Those bastards go every where an fuck around….no country regulation laws do not stop them….and
who is dum ass made this kind of regulation….Arabs are the one who are the desperate one who want fuck all the time………i can’t believe it.

You are completely, entirely missing the point. I don’t care about “cultural differences”. I’m not talking about muslims or christians or hindus or any of their religious principles. I don’t care about the principles of society versus the principles of religion, or any of the stuff you’re talking about.

I also don’t care at all what CNN or BBC or anybody says about anybody at all, I truly don’t. I’m not interested in debating the merits of one religion or another. All of that is a distraction from my core message here:

You, who are supposedly trying to be a good human, are trying to tell me that it’s okay to torture and murder a person you don’t know because they had sex with another person you don’t know. That makes you a monster… whether you’re a christian or a muslim or whether this is 1200AD or 2010AD… whatever BBC/CCN or ANYBODY says about it, none of that matters. When you drag a person away, bury them in the ground and brutally murder them, that makes you an evil person. There are no words or social philosophies or religious perspectives that you can talk about that will change the horrific nature of the murderous actions you condone.

So stop trying to talk about this as though it’s some kind of philosophical debate or religious issue. Set all that crap aside long enough to focus on what I’m saying: torturing and killing other people because you disapprove of their personal behaviour is WRONG. Your religion and my religion have no bearing on this. I’m talking about murdering people. It’s evil, no matter how you try to spin it, no matter who you try to point your finger at. It’s just plain wrong.

And I still can’t believe that I’m hearing you say that it isn’t. How can you justify this?

One more time, if all of the things that I have mentioned before are correct then I believe they should be punished. If a person has a wife, then there is no valid moral reason for that person to go cheat on her. The consequence for that action is death, if there were witnesses present. 100 lashes for saving other people to not commit this deed seems fine to me. I will leave it at that, and one more time I will say that do your own research and you will see yourself that not everything is as it seems.
Peace

What possible “research” could I do that would make it seem morally right to murder someone like that? What is it that you want me to look up, exactly?

This isn’t about me not knowing enough about muslim culture. It’s not about me being sensitive to religious differences. It’s about you trying to claim that it’s all right to torture and kill other people because you don’t approve of their behaviour. That’s it.

I don’t care who you are, what you think, or what parts of the world we might be talking about… it’s simply dead wrong. So unbelievably wrong, so morally corrupt, so *horrifically abusive*, there is simply nothing that you can say that makes it acceptable. I’m not speaking as a muslim, or a christian, or an american or an atheist – I am none of those things. I’m speaking to you as a human being.

But you are barely worthy of the title. You are a human in form only. You are, as far as I can tell, a monster.

I can only hope that one day you will finally understand that there are no words, no religions, no philosophies that can ever justify the murderous behaviour that you support. I hope you turn yourself around and learn a few very basic things about what it really means to be a good person. If not, then I can only hope that the world can find ways to protect itself from your psychotic, murderous impulses.

P.S. If you really truly don’t understand where I’m coming from, or don’t understand how I could be saying these things… and if you are at all interested in talking about it some more in private, then feel free to send me mail: nanibold (at) gmail (dot) com. I will happily do everything I can to help you understand that it’s just never okay to murder someone like that. I do think you’re a monster, but I think the world would be a better place if I can turn just one monster around, hopefully into a decent human being who can push for piety and good behaviour without resorting to torture and murder. I see that you fancy yourself to be a good person, worthy of respect. But you’re not. And you never can be, as long as you promote the torture and mutilation and murder of your fellow people.

How am i promoting hatred? Tell me once in my previous responses in which I have stated that you have to believe what i am saying? Clearly you just want to say what you want to say and disregard what other people are saying. Now I will not waste my time here, and go back and forth in circles. I have told you whatever i know in my knowledge and the rest you can find out yourself. Stop going to the ultimate conclusion over and over again, and try to diminish my responses. If a person commits a horrific deed and crush the hopes and dreams of a women by cheating on her then that my friend is a bigger sin then killing someone. You constantly repeat the same thing over and over again but yet refuse to actually look deep inside the situation. Stop referring to people who kill in the name of god and shed pain on innocent people. I told you before, if you want to discuss something with me, then you need to toss all of this media crap out. A real muslim believer will never kill a person without a reason. Stop generalizing the whole muslim nation with the actions of just a few.

I’m not saying that you’re “promoting hatred”. I’m saying that YOU THINK THAT IT’S OKAY to torture and murder someone. And I’m saying that’s INSANE, and EVIL.

Even if they “crush the hopes and dreams of a woman”, that still doesn’t make it okay to murder that person. There’s simply no way around it.

What do you think I should see when I “look deep inside the situation”? That cheating on a woman is a terrible thing to do? Of course it is! It’s an awful thing to do. But never could that ever justify a punishment like the one you promote.

When you talk about tossing “all this media crap out”, I assume you’re not talking to me… because what I’m saying has nothing to do with the media at all. I’m reacting to one thing and one thing only: your suggestion that it’s acceptable to murder another person because you think they’re a sinner.

I know you’re not suggesting that people should be murdered for no reason at all. I know you THINK you have a good reason to murder someone because they have cheated on their spouse. But what I’m saying is that you’ve built up such a strong opinion about the way other people should behave, that you will murder them when they do things that go against your opinion. And that’s deeply, deeply immoral. There’s no way around it.

Millions of people have been tortured and murdered throughout history, and in almost every case, the people inflicting the torture/murder had some words and ideas and philosophies inside their heads that made them feel justified in killing the sinner. But those are just words… ideas… opinions. The truth is that nobody should ever murder another person simply because they don’t like that person’s behaviour.

And when you talk about “generalizing the whole muslim nation”, again I assume you’re not talking to me, because I’m not making any cultural generalizations whatsoever. I don’t care if you’re a muslim or a christian or any type of person at all… if you tie up and bury someone and beat them to death, you’re evil. And that’s that.

Your english is pretty good, but your grasp on logic and reason and morality is terribly poor. Torturing and murdering people is wrong. If you have some rational, logical way to argue that it’s okay to torture and murder someone, I’d be interested to hear it… but I think all you’ve got is really strong personal opinions. Opinions so strong, so oppressive, that you support the murder of your brothers and sisters who may go against your personal opinion.

That’s just about the worst kind of person on earth. The whole civilized world is disgusted with your concept of morality. You need to step forward out of the dark ages and stop thinking like such a demon.

Well the ultimate conclusion to this argument is that you will continue on believing in your notions and i will continue on abiding my religion. You expressed your opinions and I stated what i have learned and researched. In this case, you say it is wrong and I say it seems perfectly legit to me. This will go on forever but no conclusion will be reached. If my own brother committed this sin, then I wouldn’t go against my religion to protect him. What goes for others goes for me as well. Anyways, these disputes have been going on for ages and nothing will change. I will not come back to this article, i stated what i had to state.

Yep, we’ll just declare it to be a “difference of opinion”, then.

I will continue to have my opinion, and live life as well as I can.

You will continue to have your opinion, and live life as well as you can… and maybe you’ll torture and kill a few people along the way, as a result of your opinion.

That’s what it comes down to. Differences of opinion are just fine, and are to be expected between people. But your opinions result in people being murdered. My opinions don’t get anybody killed, ever.

And that’s why you’re a monster. I am disgusted to think that you live in Canada. I hope that you and all the people who think like you go back to wherever you came from, so you can torture and kill each other as much as you like. The civilized world will carry on without you and all the murderous, insane people who share your hideous ideology.

This has been enlightening for me. Until now, I didn’t really quite believe that there were people who truly are so evil. Especially not in my own country. Now I see that it is actually real. It’s pretty horrifying to know the truth.

I’d suggest that you leave the country, and go live in a place where the “culture” actually agrees with your murderous ideology. And if you won’t leave the country, I suggest that you never let any real Canadians know the truth about what you believe. Because they’ll be angry, and they will hate you. You are a disgrace to your own religion, and to humanity in general. Begone.

OK. Nice class comments. Like i mentioned before, I practice my religions according to the Canadian law. I know my limits. I do not impose any laws or regulations on anyone. I do not go around and preach my religion, if something needs to be cleared, I gladly do so. I will say it again, stop acting like this is a contest between me and you, and one side has to win. I am actually stating my opinion, you on the other hand do not even care about what you are saying, you just want to gain this few moments of fame. People like you, ruin people’s life by claiming that other religions are wrong. Not once in my comments I have mentioned anything about your religion or anyone Else’s religion.

“and maybe you’ll torture and kill a few people along the way, as a result of your opinion”. God forbid, may i ever have to do that. Stop pulling the the information out of context. That is exactly how people like you create misunderstanding amongst others.

“The civilized world will carry on without you and all the murderous, insane people who share your hideous ideology”. On one hand you say everyone is entitled to their opinions yet you also say we are wrong and our “religion” is hideous. Way to go buddy, you finally showed your true colors.

“I’d suggest that you leave the country, and go live in a place where the “culture” actually agrees with your murderous ideology. And if you won’t leave the country, I suggest that you never let any real Canadians know the truth about what you believe. Because they’ll be angry, and they will hate you. You are a disgrace to your own religion, and to humanity in general”

OK. First of all I know my rights in Canada and I know what rights I have to give other people as well. Might want to go and take a look at the charter of rights and freedoms of Canada. Second of all, i do not appreciate you, suggesting anything to me. You do not know me and you have no right to “suggest” to me what i can’t and can do. I live in Canada, and almost everyone respects other people’s religions and obligations. Don’t tell me to never say my opinions to Canadians…well guess what..I am a Canadian as well. If i am asked, i will state not my “opinion” but what my religion tells me.

Now, I attempted being as humble and kind to you but it turns out you are not deserving of any respect. Now, the proper way of ending a conversation is by saying something polite or at least that is what i have been taught. Clearly, you did not know that so this time I will not say anything polite as well.

Begone and live your life according to your so called “professional” ways and impregnate a few women and hold no responsibilities.

“I will say it again, stop acting like this is a contest between me and you, and one side has to win. I am actually stating my opinion, you on the other hand do not even care about what you are saying, you just want to gain this few moments of fame.”

I don’t think this is a contest. And I’m certainly not trying to gain “fame”. I hear you say reprehensible things, and I try to get you to justify them – but you don’t seem to be able to. When I hear a bad idea, I challenge it.

“People like you, ruin people’s life by claiming that other religions are wrong. Not once in my comments I have mentioned anything about your religion or anyone Else’s religion.”

I never said your religion was wrong. I’m saying your stance on killing people is wrong. The fact that you happen to be a muslim, I really don’t care. I know plenty of muslims who are very respectable people, who would NEVER try to justify torturing and killing others.

“God forbid, may i ever have to do that. Stop pulling the the information out of context. That is exactly how people like you create misunderstanding amongst others.”

Pulling information out of context? You support the idea of killing people when you think their behaviour is bad. If I’m wrong on that, then please correct me. But I’m not misquoting anything, or taking anything out of context. You have made it clear that you think it’s justified to kill people that way. And you say “god forbid, may I ever have to do that”… which seems to imply that you might do it yourself, if you felt it was your duty.

“On one hand you say everyone is entitled to their opinions yet you also say we are wrong and our “religion” is hideous. Way to go buddy, you finally showed your true colors.”

You misunderstand the meaning of what I’m saying. People truly are entitled to their own opinion… but they are not entitled to use those opinions to justify killing other people.

Also, I never said your religion is hideous. I said that your belief in the morality of killing other people is hideous. Your ideology is hideous. And, as much as you are entitled to your opinion… your opinion is still hideous. As I said, I know plenty of muslims who don’t seem to hold any hideous opinions at all… unlike you.

“OK. First of all I know my rights in Canada and I know what rights I have to give other people as well.”

Good. Keep it that way. Because sometimes, people don’t. You may be able to get away with killing people in other countries, but you would never get away with it here.

“Might want to go and take a look at the charter of rights and freedoms of Canada.”

Yep, the charter says you have the right to believe whatever you like, as long as you don’t break any laws. And I have the right to tell you what I think of you, as long as I don’t break any. And that’s what I’m doing. The charter does not protect you from me telling you that I think your opinion is disgusting.

“You do not know me and you have no right to “suggest” to me what i can’t and can do.”

I have every right to suggest to you whatever I like. And you have every right to reject my suggestions.

“I live in Canada, and almost everyone respects other people’s religions and obligations.”

But you won’t find many other canadians who “respect” the idea that it’s okay to kill other people for infidelity.

“Now, I attempted being as humble and kind to you but it turns out you are not deserving of any respect.”

It’s true, you never really did get nasty with me, it was me who lost my temper. But I can never respect someone who thinks it’s justified to murder others. So all your humility and politeness is meaningless, when I consider the terrible opinions you hold inside. If I run into a real murderer in the streets one day, there’s no amount of politeness he could show me that would make me respect him.

“Begone and live your life according to your so called “professional” ways and impregnate a few women and hold no responsibilities.”

I don’t understand the whole ‘professional’ thing… this isn’t about professionalism, it’s about ethics. Morality. Not killing other people.

I don’t impregnate women without taking responsibility, and I don’t suggest that others should, either. I agree that it’s an awful thing to do. But nowhere near as awful as killing my fellow humans.

This argument is not about religion, but about ideas. Your idea is that it’s okay to murder people who you think are wrong. My idea is that it’s never okay to murder people who you think are wrong. It really is that simple.

Murdering, torturing = bad.

Not murdering, not torturing = good.

But you disagree.

“I know plenty of muslims who are very respectable people, who would NEVER try to justify torturing and killing others.”

When did I say torturing/killing INNOCENT people is justifiable?
I said if a person cheats on his wife then yes he should be punished. Now, I will explain this to you one last time.
1. If a person for whatever reason wants to have sex with another women then he is permitted in Islam to marry again with the consent of the former wife.
2. If the person does not want to marry the women and just wants a “on night stand” which you clearly believe is fine then he just has to make sure no one sees them and he will only have to reply to god.

Now if he can do both of these things and he does not do it..then he should be punished.

“You support the idea of killing people when you think their behaviour is bad.”

What?! lol..and you claim you do not pull information out of context..I support nothing of this kind..people do a lot of bad things..we don’t go start killing them. For other actions, there are other punishes..

Second, i do not punish people when “I” think there behaviour is wrong. We only punish people who have gone against the rules of Islam and punish them accordingly.

“Also, I never said your religion is hideous. I said that your belief in the morality of killing other people is hideous. Your ideology is hideous”

Where do I get my ideologies from…Einstein..by saying my ideologies are wrong, you are indirectly saying Islam is wrong.

“Good. Keep it that way”

That actually made me chuckle (sarcasm)..thanks i guess?

The responses for the rest of the things you gave me are useless.

“When did I say torturing/killing INNOCENT people is justifiable?”

Torturing and killing people is wrong, even when you think they’re not “innocent”. I know you think that these people deserve it, but that’s not your call to make. Murdering others is really only justifiable in self defense.

I know you think that having a “one night stand” is an offense punishable by death, but that’s an opinion. And the fact that you have an opinion that someone deserves death does not give you the right to kill them.

“What?! lol..and you claim you do not pull information out of context..I support nothing of this kind..people do a lot of bad things..we don’t go start killing them. For other actions, there are other punishes..”

You claim that you support “nothing of this kind”, while at the same time telling me that you support murdering people who cheat on their spouses. You think their behaviour is bad, therefore you support killing them. Sounds pretty clear to me. In fact, it couldn’t be any clearer.

“Second, i do not punish people when “I” think there behaviour is wrong. We only punish people who have gone against the rules of Islam and punish them accordingly.”

Ah, I see. So you kill people not just because *you* think they deserve it, but because there are a bunch of other people who agree with you on it. Sorry, but that doesn’t make it any better. Whether your opinion is yours alone or shared by others, doesn’t mean that the opinion is any more justifiable. In fact, that just makes it worse… it just means that there are (apparently) entire groups of people who think as evil as you do.

“Where do I get my ideologies from…Einstein..by saying my ideologies are wrong, you are indirectly saying Islam is wrong.”

I don’t care where you get your ideology from! If you trace your insane ideas back to islam, then that’s your problem. The fact remains that the ideas are insane and vicious, wherever they may originate from. I don’t care if you interpret it as an attack on your religion. I attack bad ideas, regardless of where they come from.

“That actually made me chuckle (sarcasm)..thanks i guess?”

Yes, I mean it when I say “keep it that way”. Please do not ever torture and murder anybody while you live in this country. Maybe after a lifetime of not-torturing other people, you’ll begin to realize that life is better without such violence.

“The responses for the rest of the things you gave me are useless.”

I don’t care. You’re obviously 100% on board with torture and murder. Which makes your entire existence not just useless, but potentially terribly dangerous for other people. I can only hope that you won’t be able to hurt anybody now that you’re living in a more civilized place…

Actually, I just thought of a way to explain it to you that might help you understand how I see all this.

Follow along with me, on a hypothetical scenario I will invent, just to get my message across:

Let’s say I don’t live in Canada, but a country we’ll call Insanistan.

And as we’re exchanging comments on the internet, I happen to tell you about some of the customs in my country.

I tell you that hats of any kind are totally unacceptable, and anyone who wears one immediately becomes a social outcast.

“Well”, you say. “That’s a little odd”. And I say “Yep, that’s the way it is around here, it’s a religious thing”. And you’re okay with that.

And then I tell you that in Insanistan it is considered to be extremely disrespectful to avert your eyes while in conversation with another person. You say “Truly? Man, that sounds pretty difficult.” I say “Yep, it’s a big part of our culture”. And you’d be fine with that too, even though it seems a bit strange.

“Yeah”, I say. “But we’re also very proper here, very pure. We are very strict about enforcing correct behaviour.”

And I go on to tell you there is a special kind of justice for people who use profane language against their children in Insanistan.

“We have special punishments for people who curse or yell at their kids”, I say.

And you reply, “Yes, it’s definitely a terrible thing to shout and swear at your own children.”

And I say “Yeah, around here, if it is proven that a parent has yelled a profanity at their offspring… we take them to the town square and play band music and dig their eyes out with spoons.”

You say “WHAT?”

I respond: “We take their eyes. And after that, we shatter their limbs and twist them up and tie them to the underside of a rowboat. Then we throw darts at them until they die of blood loss.”

You: “YOU THROW *DARTS* AT THEM TOO?”

Me: “It does take a long time though, usually they don’t die until a couple of days have gone by.”

You: “A COUPLE OF DAYS? HOLY CRAP! Why on earth would you EVER do that to someone? You’re insane!”

Me: “Well, if you yell and swear at your children, you obviously deserve the punishment.”

You: “Not THAT kind of punishment! What the hell is wrong with you? That’s disgusting!”

Me: “You should be more culturally sensitive. I have a right to my religious beliefs, and you don’t have a right to attack them. We don’t do this to innocent people, only guilty people… there’s no point in yelling at your children, it’s a sin. So the eyes have to come out, the limbs have to be broken, the body stretched and the darts have to be thrown. It is god’s will.”

Now Abid… after hearing all that, what would you say?

A) Okay, I must respect your religious beliefs. If your religion requires the mutilation and torture, then that’s cool

Or;

B) Screw your punishment! I don’t care what any religion says, that’s a terrible, horrible thing to do, and you’re NUTS

Which is it, Abid? Would you respect my religious freedom to spoon out people’s eyeballs, or would you tell me I’m nuts?

If a person is torturing somebody just to have fun, I am agreed with you, it’s barbaric. But the incident we are talking about has a solid reason. It’s a law there that you can’t have sex before marriage and if someday breaks the law he has to face the music then. Now this issue is debatable that either Religion/law is the most important thing or the personal like and dislikes. All I am trying to say that this particular man in this article is not punished just for time pass. He has broken the law that’s why he has punished. You said you don’t care about the society and its principles, but your words are not supporting it. As sex with anybody at any time can be a normal thing in your society, that’s why you are shocked at this incident. But imagine a Muslim society where women are so used to cover their entire body when they go out of shopping etc. Everybody have to respect the principles of the society, doesn’t matter that’s your personal thoughts are about the “Freedom”. U can’t understand this sort of society as I can’t understand yours.

“According to Sharia law, Muslim adulterers who are also foreigners may be lashed and deported” Actually, any Muslim, male or female who is unmarried and is caught or admits to sex out of wedlock is subject to lashing. It is not an issue of foreigner or not. Deportation is just a side option the government places in this incident, it is not necessarily a part of the Sharia Law.

I will probably obey the rules and if I know that I won’t be able to..then i go live somewhere else and let them live the life they want to live..but if they ask me for my beliefs then surely i will tell them.
Stop exaggerating the punishment..and second of all i do not think there are millions of Muslims who are killed by cheating. Most people have the common sense, to not cheat on their wives and not to have sex before marriage.

Simple as that..stop making a big deal out of it. If anything you should be worried about other things that are going on in the world..rather then trying to explain your reasons that no one else gives importance to.

If you really do want to have sex but you do not want to marry..go somewhere else where it is allowed..or just do it so no one sees you and there are no witnesses..

God bro…you actually tick me off..I clearly see the logic as well as millions of other Muslims

Ultimately all i will say is this…the fastest growing religion in the world cannot possibly be harsh or cruel..if it was..then no one will follow it.

“I will probably obey the rules and if I know that I won’t be able to..then i go live somewhere else”

You know, I don’t really care what “the rules” say, and I don’t care whether you live here or anywhere else… just don’t hurt anybody.

Hurting others is wrong, no matter how you try to justify it. And it’s also wrong to sit on the sidelines and cheer on other people as they hurt others. Blood will still be on your hands, even if you do not participate personally.

“Stop exaggerating the punishment…”

I was exaggerating the punishment intentionally, Abid. I invented a fake, hypothetical scenario and made it very exaggerated, so that you could better understand. Perhaps you missed the part where I said it was hypothetical.

I’ll ask again: If I told you that I support doing all those horrible things to people, would you allow me to justify it by saying it was part of my religion? Or would you tell me that it’s terrible anyway?

“Simple as that..stop making a big deal out of it.”

As you can tell, I really do think it’s a big deal. And I don’t think that people should try to sweep it under the rug by using the “it’s my religion” defense.

“I clearly see the logic as well as millions of other Muslims”

Just like there were millions of christians who saw the “logic” in burning women at the stake because they might be “witches”.

Just like there were millions of stupid american christians who saw the “logic” in destroying iraq.

Just like there were millions of insane germans who saw the “logic” in executing every jew they could find.

Just like there are millions of people… right at this moment… inventing a chain of “logic” inside their heads, to justify doing terrible things to other people.

It’s all the same. I just want it to stop.

Now why is the U.S. allies of backward to Islamofascist countries like The U.A.E. and saudi arabia. JUst proves how fasist the U.S. has become.

To Nanibod:
I do not think Abide expressed his opinion yet, all I understand is rules of x religion is ok, let’s say abide you born before your x religion what is your opinion in this case as human being ?

cc: Abide

To Nanibod:
I do not think Abide expressed his opinion yet, all I understand is rules of x religion is ok, let’s say abide you born before your x religion what is your opinion in this case as human being ?

cc: Abide

omg that is so cruel

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